Thatchergate

Tape of Thatcher - Reagan Telephone Conversation. Made During Falklands War.

T. ......own business!

R. I urge restraint. It's absolutely essential or the area 'be "through the roof".

T. Look, our objectives are fundamentally different. Al Haig...

R. ....Secretary Haig....

T. ....doesn't seem to be able to find a solution.

R. Why eliminate "Belgrano"? You directed this. The Argentinians were then going.... Secretary Haig reached an agreement.

T. Argentina was the invader! Force has been used. It's been used now, punishing them as quickly as possible.

R. Oh, God, it's not right! You caused the "Sheffield" to have been hit. Those missiles we followed on screens. You must have too, and not let them know. What do you hope to gain?

T. What I said before -"Andrew"- ....As "cruise" go in, I want incentives at all levels....

R. There's a deal....a third more submarine ballistic missiles, and you will see that the United States forces remain deployed. The intermediate range missiles are U.S. defence. You proposed building them in Europe. Build up the economy. They don't work, they're social programmes.... The United Kingdom is a....er....little nation....

T. You still need those nations, and you're given long term international markets.

R. We are supported by our allies, whether they want, or not.

T. I, I don't understand you....

R. In conflict, we will launch missiles on allies for effective limitation of the Soviet Union.

T. 'mean over Germany?

R. Mrs Thatcher, if any country of ours endangered the position, we might bomb the "problem area", and correct the imbalance.

T. See, my....

R. It will convince the Soviets to listen. We demonstate our strength....The Soviets have little incentive to launch an attack.

T. Our British people....

R. London! ....

T. I think....

R. Let that be understood...........................................

Thatchergate Press

Phony Reagan-Thatcher Tape

[reprinted in its entirety from San Francisco Chronicle, January 30, 1983. Page 10]

Wahington. A fake tape of a purported conversation between President Reagan and British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher was circulated in Europe this spring, possibly by the KGB, the State Department said yesterday.

"This type of activity fits the pattern of fabrications circulated by the Soviet KGB, although usually they involve fake documents rather than tapes," the department said in a written response to reporter's questions.

The department said that although the recording is of "poor quality," a technical analysis revealed that the voices were those of Reagan and Thatcher.

But the department indicated the voices were spliced together and said they were not part of an actual conversation.

"We checked with the White House, which advised thay no such conversation took place," the department said.

The President's part in the recording apparently was lifted from his Nov. 22, 1982 speech on nuclear disarmament," it said. "We are not sure where Mrs. Thatcher's remarks came from.

The department said a copy of the tape was received by the U.S. embassy in the Netherlands a week before the British elections.

The tape dealt with the Falklands crisis and U.S. missiles in Britain, the department said.

It said, "From the drift of the tape, the evident purpose was to cause problems for Mrs. Thatcher by blaming her for the sinking of the British destroyer Sheffield and also for us by stirring trouble on the INF (Intermediate Range Nuclear Forces) issue."

The Sheffield was sunk by Argentine forces last year during the war with Britain over the Falkland Islands.

Britain and the United Staes took part in a NATO decision to install intermediate-range nuclear missiles in Europe late this year as a counter to similar Soviet forces if an agreement on restriction such weapons is not reached.

The State Department said the tape-recording was sent with a covering letter from an anonymous person to Dutch journalists.

It is said an analysis by the language experts "suggests that the author was not a native speaker."

The Reagan administration has contended for some time that the KGB has contended for some thime that the KGB has a forgery factory producing false documents to mislead target audiences.

How the KGB fools the West's press

[Excerpt reprinted from The Sunday Times, 8 January 1984, page 3.]

THE TAPE is heavy with static and puntuated with strange noises, but through it all can be heard the authentic voices of Ronald Reagan on the telephone: "If there is a conflict we shall fire missiles at our allies to see to it that the Soviet Union stays within its borders."

At the other end of the telephone is Mrs. Thatcher. "You mean Germany?" she asks increduously.

"Mrs. Thatcher, if any country endagers our position we can decide to bomb the problem area and so remove the instability."

If this is not hair-raising enough, we hear Mrs. Thatcher virtually admitting that she had the Belgrano sunk to end any chance of an agreement with Argentina. "Oh God!" says Reagan.

The whole conversation is fake. Both voices are real but the words spoken have been doctored, cut, rearranged and then expanded on the transcript of the tape. Every word from Reagan is extracted from his lengthy presidential address on nuclear strategy. When, for instance, he seems to swear at Mrs. Thatcher, he is in fact coming to the end of his speech and quoting a hymn: "Oh God of love, O king of peace."

The tape surfaced in Holland just before last year's British general election, but it never quite overcame the suspicions of Dutch journalists. They declined to publish the juicy exclusive, sent to them anonymously. But other journalists across the world have fallen for an increasing flow of such stories based on "authoritative" cables, memo and tapes. The State Department in Washington says they are all products of an increasingly sophisicated Russian campaign.

"They have accelerated their efforts and they have fine-tuned them," claims Larry Semakis, deputy director of a State Department team that monitors what the Russians call "active measures." He admits that "no one can specifically prove in a court of law that Soviet hand was on this or that item." But he says there is a pattern in the use of forgeries which points unmistakably to the Russians.

The State Department believes that "active measures" are the responsibility of the KGB's first directorate; that some forgeries go as high as the ruling Politburo for approval...

One year later...

'Soviet' faked tape is rock group hoax

[reprinted in its entirety from The Observer, Sunday, January 22, 1984.]

by David Leigh and Paul Lashmar

A TAPE recording, purporting to carry details of a secret telephone conversation between Mrs Thatcher and President Reagan, has been revealed as a hoax manufactured deliberately by an anarchist rock group.

The recording was taken to newspapers throughout Europe --including The Observer-- but, apart from one Italian newspaper, nobody had been taken in by the hoax tape until it appeared in the Sunday Times earlier this month.

That newspaper described it as part of a KGB propaganda war. Unfortunately the tape was recorded not in Moscow but in an Essex farmhouse.

The New York correspondent of the paper reported that the State Department believed the tape was evidence of 'an increasingly sophisticated Russian disinformation cam- paign.'

The real authors of the hoax tape, the anarchist punk rock group Crass, said that they had been 'amused and amazed' that the tape had been attributed to the KGB.

The recording first appeared in the offices of a number of Continental newspapers shortly before the British general election last year.

A covering note said it was a recording of a crossed line on which was heard part of the two leaders' telephone conversation, and that the person who sent it wished to remain anonymous for fear of retribution.

Key lines in the tape include Mr. Reagan apparently asking why the Belgrano was sunk during the Fallrlands war, when Secretary of State Haig was nearing a peace agreement. Mrs Thatcher appears to reply: 'Argentina was the invader. Force had to be used now, punishing them as quickly as possible.'

Mr. Reagan then says: 'Oh God, it is not right. You caused the Sheffield to have been hit. Those missiles we followed on the screen. You must have, too, and not let them know.'

Later, in a discussion on nuclear strategy, Mr. Reagan is made to say: 'If there is a conflict we shall fire missiles at our allies to see to it that the Soviet Union stays within its borders.'

The tape was first brought to The Observer by a Belgian journalist last June. We concluded, like most of the other newspapers, that it was a fake.

The quest for the real hand behind the tape led to an isolated farmhouse in north Essex, where the eight members of the band live with their children.

Reluctantly the members of the band, who sport names like Joy Be Vivre, G Sus and Sybil Right, admitted faking the tape. They showed how they had put it together over two and a half months, using parts of TV and radio broadcasts made by the two leaders, then overdubbing with telephone noises.

'We wanted to precipitate a debate on those subjects to damage Mrs. Thatcher's position in the election. We also did it because of the appaling way Tam Dalyell was treated over the Belgrano debate,' they said.

'We believe that although the tape is a hoax, what is said in it io in effect true.'

. . .and a Crass tale that fooled the U.S.

[reprinted in its entirety from The Standard, Sunday, January 25, 1984.]

WASHINGTON, Wednesday a fake tape-recorded conversation between President Reagan and Mrs. Thatcher has got the U.S. State Department puzzled.

Officials don't know whether if was concocted by the Soviets for propaganda or by a British rock group. Two members of the "anairchist" band Crass said they made the fake tape early last year and claimed it was good enough to fool the State Department into thinking it was Soviet "black propaganda."

But department officials have said they never specifically attributed the tape to the Soviet Union when they played it for reporters last July and included it as anexample in a September report entitled "Soviet active measures."

The department said the tape was included in the publication and bronghy to the attention of reporters earlier because "it fits a pattern of Soviet active measures."

In the tape conversation,which purportedly took place during the Falklands War, President Reagan tries to restrain Mrs. Thatcher, who is bent on punishing Argentina, and to blame her for the loss of HMS Sheffield, (AP.)

Crass 'KGB tape' hoax

[reprinted in its entirety from Sounds, January 28, 1984. Page 2]

CRASS have been uncovered as the perpetrators of a bogus tape of a telephone 'conversation' between Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher.

The tape was originally circulated last sammer before the General Election and was claimed to be a recording of a crossed line between the two leaders. Needless to say it is not complimentary to either statesperson.

During the coarse of the 'conversation' Thatcher replies to Reagan's question about the Belgrano by saying: "Argentina was the invader. Force had to be used now, punishing them as quickly as possible."

And later in a discussion aboat nuclear strategy Reagan says: "If there is any conflict we a shall fire missiles at our allies to see to it that the Soviet Union stays with stays within its borders."

Most newspapers recognised the tape as a fake but the Sunday Times attributed it to KGB propaganda a couple of weeks ago and last Sunday's Observer took considerable delight in tracking the tape back to Crass's HQ in Essex.

Invoking the spirit of one of Reagan's predecessors, George Washington, they explained that the tape had been put together from TV and radio broadcasts overdubbed by telephone noises.

They justified their actions by saying: "We wanted to precipitate a debate on the Falklands and nuclear weapons to damage: Thatcher's position in the election. We also did it because of the appauling way Tom Dalyell (almost the only MP to raise any awkward questions over the Falklands affair) was treated over the Belgrano debate in the House of Commons.

"We believe that although the tape is a hoax what is said in it is in effect true. We were amased and amazed that the tape had been attribated to the KGB."